#jikook evolution

[lagalaxiedemochi]

Hiiii! Idk if this blog is still active in any way but the jikook timeline is one of the best thing that was ever made . It's so useful and I love it sooooo much. I was wondering if you were still army and still around? I hope you're doing well :). Do you think the jikook timeline could ever be updated?

Hello! :)

Yes, I’m still army and I still support Jikook!

I've been part of the fandom for a while, and even though life gets super busy with work sometimes, I always make time to catch up on their content whenever I can.

Even though Shan and I haven’t posted anything new lately, I’ve been working on the timeline—organizing everything as chronologically as possible and fixing any broken links. I definitely want to create new posts in the future, but first, I’m focused on tidying up all the posts we already have.

Sometimes I do wonder if anyone still checks it out, haha!

It’s still really special to me—I love having this BTS Jikook-focused archive to look through and see their journey and evolution over the years. No matter what someone believes about their relationship, I’m sure anyone who explores it will see just how special it is, and that’s exactly the goal of it.

Here’s a link for the timeline masterpost for anyone who hasn’t seen it yet.

[goldenhickeysandramen]

Evolution of their narrative

I admit it. I also get confused as to what kind of couple Tae& Koo is supposed to be to their shippers.

When I first joined the fandom they were the “hidden couple”, and jikook was “fan service”, cause is what the masses demanded from BH/Bang PD.

It didn't take me long to realise that the "masses" in this fandom are actually the taek00kers (humaluvre is bigger than the majority of the most famous JK's focus accs) … So I've never really understood who the masses-asking-massively-for-"jikook"-content were 🤷‍♀️

Then, I read them that the big proof that taek00k was real was, precisely, that they couldn’t do all the things that jikook could do so well (you know, travel together only the two of them, stare at each other in rapt attention, sucking ears and necks, treat each other as a married couple, support each other to the fullest, holding hands whenever they have the opportunity…). The reason of them not doing all of these things was South Korea, since it is an homophobic country.

That’s why the company edited the content and didn't let them interact. It was all cuts and so on. Everything they did was private, and that's why there was no evidence, other than some witnesses of people with telescopic sight and facial recognition (maybe they were androids?)

I had more or less understood the narrative, until the LOVEGRAM era started, and that's when it all blew over!

Their insta accounts were no longer professional accounts (like twitter or weverse), but personal… and from then on, their selfies were some short of engagement pics or couple confirmation and their funny comments about boxing hooks were actually whipped messages of love.

Btw it seems South Korea was no longer homophobic at that time.

INSTAGRAM WAS THE LAW

When JK closed his Instagram account (forced by the company 😌) we were already in chapter 2. The lovegram didn't matter anymore…because Jungkook hanging out sometimes with Tae and wooga became the confirmation of what Instagram -in reality- failed to confirm. Never mind that their hanging out concentrated during some months when they both had more free time or that they actually just did what good friends do: having fun at the movies, bowling or skiing together with other friends… but hey, those tiny details don't matter in the great love story that is told.

And from there we move on to the part where the CHAOS really started, when the COMPANION SYSTEM news dropped

And guess what? Korea became homophobic again

Some said that they were forced to part ways (the company, the government, themselves because they wouldn't last a second without f?….). Gays dont enlist together they said.

Another line of argument was that Jimin had asked JK to enlist with him… I guess because he was going to be terrible at the military. LOL

But we all can sense that the most extended opinion was "I can't understand this plot twist for shit".

(Maybe the problem is they never understood their favs but that’s for another post)

And in the midst of CHAOS it was no longer possible to think of a new narrative...that's why the strategy became "attack". If they can't prove that their favourites are a couple, they'll go and debunk the rest.

At this point they don’t seem to care if ta3k00k is real or not… they simply choose not to surrender and ignore some facts. If they freaking ignored Jennie during a year, they will do the same with jikook being glued for 18 months.

So in the next months, we'll probably see part of fandom (solos and tkkers) attacking jikookers, and another part trying to ignore us. I fear the chaos will continue… pretty sure some toxic ones will watch the travel show just to diss jikook..

But we shouldn’t care too much because as we have seen, Jimin and Jungkook will never stop taking their decisions and behaving with authenticity

The boys have chosen their own path this year, not to please the majority of their fandom (jikookers are not the mass), but because they wanted to.

At the end of the day, they care about their fans, but we don’t own their lifes and they have shown us. And I applaud 👏 them

And yes, maybe their country and the careers they have chosen dont allow them to be fully free…. but they dont prevent them to stay one next to the other. They know how to choose the battles worth fighting for.

Don't you think it's beautiful and says a lot about the quality of love and respect that Jimin and Jungkook have for each other?

I think so

"standing in the fire next to you"

💜💛

[akookminsupporter]

I feel like they uped the ante on the "Jimin-shi / Jungkook-shi" thing. Like they do it even more now than before and Jimin keeps saying it too. I feel like I missed a pokemon evolution in this jikook inside joke lol

🧐🧐

[solarwynd]

An interesting turn of events - it is fascinating to see Jikookers being as vile they are right now towards Tae. Now I will preface this by saying I absolutely dislike that man. I think he’s fkn annoying, cringey and his pretentious attitude gets to my nerves. I have muted all JK related key words too. I am here for JiHope. And Jimin is my forever ULT. But in the shipping world up until 2021, the norm was Jimin getting the absolute worst shit on Twitter for doing nothing while JK and Tae get away with everything. Like the things Jimin would be labelled an attention seeker or whatever for, will be called cute and adorable when TH does it. And Jikookers largely really did pretend like OT7s for the longest time. They wanted to be the ones with common sense, middle ground, moral superiority. Their “you can never make me hate taetae(barf)” ideology was pretty strong.

But I have seen a new flurry of Jikookers that are absolutely unhinged lol. There’s this gang of theirs on Twitter, like a clique and they are all petty hateful towards Taehyung. They call themselves KM solos I believe and I think they really do hate him. I have majority shipping accounts blocked but I was on the trends yesterday and I saw a tweet with Jimin cropped out by a Taekooker account, and the qrts were filled with quality edits and shit and pure spite towards TH. Someone even made a meme where he looks like a donkey? And there were several hit tweets there with thousands of likes, all belittling TH. I also saw some “OT7 joker” getting ripped a new one because they said JKKrs are the same tkkrs. Like the comment section destroyed her. It’s a real shift for those who have witnessed the shipping landscape evolution. He used to get away with a lot and babied. Idk what changed. Now it’s still not even remotely close to what Tkkrs does to Jimin. There’s simply no comparison, but it’s interesting to see a counter narrative. Literally nobody gets benefitted from shipping except for JK I guess.

Can’t wait for the members to start revealing their relationships etc. I will be getting the butteriest pop corn and a front row seat.

You’re actually very right about the bulk of jikookers wanting to appear as OT7 and I never got that. You go on any of their accounts and it’s nothing but Jikook/JK/Jimin on there. What’s the point to even pretend. It seems exhausting putting up that kind of front knowing that you don’t care about the other 5 members to stay in armys good graces. Especially when you’re already ostracized by them. It’s the same as these diet solos who still try to act like they’re armys. Like I can’t imagine if I had decided to continue faking being an army past April of last year.

I think it’s easier for jkkrs to mask their dislike towards Taehyung cause unlike for taekookers, Jikook’s existence does not hinge on Taehyung being seen as some type of wedge. I feel like the bulk of them are indifferent or just don’t care about him. And I do know the exact clique you’re talking about. Including the main one who’s too invested in dragging Taehyung unprovoked and always gets Jimin dragged.

I also did see that big jkkr account that got ratioed and deservedly so, cause frankly idc how neutral or upstanding you’re tryna be. If you bias jimin, your priority should be him. To hell with Taehyung and his fuckass stans.

[slaaverin]

What i find interesting is bluemoonpunch doing jkk readings for so many years. I think i have once clicked on their jkk readings refering to full post or smtg and saw they have reading from 2018(not entirely sure because i haven't read the past posts but i remember vaguely). They seem very professional i mean i have seen many ppl do kpop reading with commission and they can go very shippy while doing those readings but bluemoonpunch's reading didn't feel like that. And even if they do "jikook" reading they still talk very professional like it doesn't seem to be done to cater to the shippers or anyone.

What i wonder is if they do it because those readings have been commissioned over the years by same or different people OR they do by their own will. I mean if it's commisioned idt the one who paid would want to make it public since they paid for it so they'd want that reading given only to them than post for everyone to read for free. Wonder if they do jkk readings because they also like jikook or like see "something different" about their bond.

Hey anon,

I agree with you that her readings are very professional and not catering towards anyone. If you read her posts you see that she never really said outright anything that can be considered "shippy", she never said jikook specifically are in a relationship because she wants to respect their privacy which is very respectable.

Of course with everything we know about jikook I feel her readings are pretty clear to us, she doesn't need to say it.

Look I don't want to put words in her mouth, I don't know her personally except through her work and personal readings she did for me, but I also follow her since 2018 and I remember some of her posts so I would go on what I recall of what she said.

She isn't commissioned by anyone to make those readings. They are not paid. She does it for free since 2018 (and before but I wasn't there).

She's been through a long way to become the reader she is today, and she said she made those readings even back then for us to understand how energy and the different levels of consciousness work.

I believe she does it because 1. She has interest in BTS and kpop. 2. Because using celebrities to display some of the intricacies of energies is somewhat "neutral" and so she can illustrate it with these people we actually don't know.

But it's all to expand people's consciousness.

I guess this is a bit of her way "to give back" to the community (and also it's a great storefront for her professional shop, a way to get more known).

She never really focused only on jikook, more the group in general, she does readings about all the members. But I guess there is also demand from people to get updates about jikook so she probably gives us what we want.

I encourage anyone to also read her past readings on all the members, because the way she perceives BTS has always been very interesting and you can really see a big evolution.

You might also better understand why BTS did what they did, why they came to earth for. It makes you have "a bigger picture" viewpoint that adds an interesting layer to understanding BTS as a whole.

Truth be told, unknowingly her readings have been a big catalyst in my personal journey, back in 2018 when I first started reading them, it brought back all my memories from since I was a kid around 10, I was very very passionate about spirituality back then. But after this I kinda put it in the back of my mind and for some reason never thought about it again. It happens sometimes when someone must have experiences on the 3D level without any spirituality involved.

But her readings opened the gates back on this part of myself I had forgotten, and since then I plunged back into spirituality full-force, so without her my life right now would have been completely different.

Bit of a personal share but I guess if she wanted to expand people's consciousness it definitely worked on me? Lol

I also had several personal readings done by her over the years and I can say it, she's the real deal.

I've been studying cartomancy and a lot of different readers, but this woman truly has a gift and a talent unlike anyone I ever came accross. She understand how energy works on such a deep and subtle level, it's quite astonishing. But from what I read she's been through quite a lot to get there.

(I'm not fangirling for the sake of it, I really did my research)

Her jikook readings have not always been as crystal clear as the ones she did recently. There was a lot of things going on with their relationship correlated to the group as a whole.

But I believe in her integrity, if the last readings were this way it's probably because that's what she perceives and was just honest about it.

Also keep in mind that she knows way more about them than what she puts in the written readings. There are many information she perceived over the years that she didn't disclose for privacy reasons which makes her more trustworthy.

The point of those readings are not to breach their privacy but to teach people about energy and consciousness, it's supposed to be a learning tool.

We draw our own conclusions about jikook because we are not dumb and can read between the lines, but I believe she will never say if we are right or not. (It's not her role)

I don't know if she has a personal interest in jikook, it's possible she did many of them because people were asking her for it. But my own intuition tells me that of course she's interested in them even if it's only on a professional standpoint.

But to do such deep readings about BTS I also believe her interest might be more personal, maybe she is ARMY too but I don't know her enough to make that definitive statement and talk for her.

If she stumbles over this post she can correct me lol

I think it would be foolish to think she doesn't see what's different about jikook. As I said she oftens knows more than what she puts on her posts.

Her last readings were so damn clear than there is no doubt she knows it too.

But she has no hidden agenda I believe except to help the community. If I recall it has also helped her grow on her own personal journey.

When you are on a spiritual path it's a bit what people usually do.

So with knowing all of this that's why I read only from her about BTS, I never came accross another reader with the integrity she has. And there is enough "food" in her readings to make me think deeper about BTS as a whole.

Tarot is a great tool to learn about human psyche and energies, but it is also entertainement and should be treated as such.

Even her readings should be taken with a grain of salt, not absolute truth, and people should not get too hung up on every minute details.

But it's true that when you put everything we know about BTS and jikook PLUS the layer of understanding of her readings, it just adds up, it makes sense, it's not out there.

So that's why I find it interesting to talk about all of this, even if only on a more philosophical standpoint to make us think and analyze things.

And I believe that's the very reason of why she makes those readings in the first place, for people to understand how energy works, so that they can have better comprehension about their very own energy and how it affects their lives.

It's all very interesting.

I hope the information I gave you will help,

I love tarot and I love spirituality and in correlation to BTS or even from your personal situations I will always been open to talk about it.

Take care anon 💜

[just-orbiting-you]

I like that other anons take, I’m newer to the fandom in the last few years and my opinion of Tae is that he is quite immature. He grew up slightly, you can see that, but the way he behaves in relation to social media is akin to someone younger. Jungkook himself coming off instagram spoke to me, I love him for doing that, and because he did (in theory) anything Tae posts is not seen or vetted by him. It actually comes across as rather sad that Tae posts that and JK doesn’t like it or comment. It speaks to a sort of one sided relationship. I think JK cares about Tae but it’s not that deep, it’s one based on the activity they are doing together, such as the premiere, or bowling. Not deep connection. JK has Jimin for that, and Jimin has spoken of this being a part of their bond.

Not sure of the logistics of the Hawaii trip but I can guess that JK went for the thrill of sky diving. It spoke volumes to me that when he mentioned it in an interview he just said he went sky diving, he didn’t mention Tae. It’s also that retelling of his trip with Tae and Wooga to the ski resort and they left him.

I think for years now, way beyond 2019, Tae has felt left out because of Jikooks way of being in their own world . You can see the evolution of that fairly clear in content. Even in the very last live you can see the petulant look on Tae when JK comes back at him about not listening to JM. He rolls his eyes like a child. He’s hooking his arms around JMs legs at one point too. JM often just humours this sort of behaviour, JK ignores it often now. It’s the same where Tae turned on a live at JKs door step when he was with Jimin, who tried to get him to stop. It’s these crossing of boundaries that makes him immature imo. I think JK has a playful side to him but in chapter 2 he wanted to be seen as a grown up, not babied, and Tae does not match that. Jimin does and you can see him being himself around Jimin, they match each other I think, you can see that in the trailer, they click, but that comes from years of intimacy. Those nuances that tell you they know each other like an old married couple. They have been given space to just be that in the show. No other’s around them to stop them being themselves.

I believe though that Tae too has a lot of love to give and I think and for years had no where to put it other than his members, but then he met Wooga, and miss Kim. I love that for him because he deserves love and someone for himself . That is why I get mad when people question Jikook because why would you not want that for them? If that’s what they have with each other, stop questioning everything they do. What they have is beautiful. I think Tae wanted that and he eventually experienced it.

really great ask, thank you for taking the time to write it out! i think chapter 2 gave us a pretty good insight into the member's dynamics, especially t@ekook.

It actually comes across as rather sad that Tae posts that and JK doesn’t like it or comment. It speaks to a sort of one sided relationship.

definitely. from the way that jungkook spoke about the movie premiere, skydiving, skiing as you mentioned, it just further perpetuates this notion that i don't think that tae has a deep relationship with jungkook.

i think jk just has always loved a lot of thrill seeking activities and you don't need to do that with people who are your closest, you know. the fact that the most recent stuff we have heard jikook often doing and t@ekook doing is: drinking and vulnerable discussions/advice on singing vs. hawaii and skydiving.

like clearly one is more sentimental, intimate and demonstrates a trust between the two.

i love that we are discussing tae's boundary crossing and jungkook's maturity because at face value you would assume it's the other way around. or even with how jungkook started doing lives last year. some may see it as immature, but i think he really had a goal there in sharing himself in the way he wanted. taking care to curate his image exactly how he wanted it and that meant taking down his instagram.

It’s the same where Tae turned on a live at JKs door step when he was with Jimin, who tried to get him to stop. It’s these crossing of boundaries that makes him immature imo.

this was honestly just a stupid move, we can see jungkook's building behind them in the video and i'm glad jimin was there to stop tae. but this is another moment where tae has to tell fans exactly everytime he is with jungkook or has seen jungkook. which just becomes odd after a while.

I think Tae wanted that and he eventually experienced it.

im not the biggest fan of the people he's surrounded himself with and i wonder if he is mature enough with others outside of bts. but i hope he did too.

[beautifulpersonpeach]

Regarding the topic of jkkrs not being able to see Tae objectively anymore, I think that it’s only going to get worse. It’s way easier to go from OT7/objective thinking -> solo/shipper/biased mentality than it is to go the opposite way. I’ve seen a lot Jikook blogs either become a more delusion/narrow-minded shipper or go full on PJM with resentment for other members. There are even some usernames that I always used to regularly see in your comment sections that are now in the more extreme side of Jikooker/PJM tumblr. I understand that people can change their thinking or have had experiences/breaking points that led them to seek like-mindedness in other areas. But I feel like it’s kind of a skill to be able to step back and look at things/situations big picture instead of jumping to the worst possible conclusions. The rational Jikooker mentality to intolerance of Tae pipeline fascinates me because it was like we had our own little mini fandom implosion. I saw the shift happen in real time on Tumblr that involved many prominent Jikook blogs having to address the change and take a stance, lots of callouts and fallouts ensued. So many changes in a short period of time factored into this implosion: chapter 2, less OT7 content, less jkk content, more tkk hangouts, Tae not posting a lot for JM, Face promo debacle, tons of Golden promo, Tae mentioning JK’s name more often, and more. So I understand why people have shifted mindsets but it’s sad to see where the Jikook community is now vs where it used to be 3 years ago. Either way, I anticipate it will only worsen over time but I’m happy to still see blogs like yours that approach these topics with open-minded conversations.

PS: I’m not condemning or looking down on the more opinionated shippers/solos, I am just stating the changes I’ve noticed within Jikook Tumblr space as of late.

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I take issue with your dichotomy of “OT7/objective thinking -> solo/shipper/biased mentality” because it’s not quite as clear-cut as OT7 = objective thinking, to put it lightly, but I understand what you’re trying to communicate and I agree with the other observations you’ve made.

Personally, it’s been a bit underwhelming seeing the fandom split so predictably. There was a time (prior to 2019) when I thought ARMY might be the exception to how I’d seen other fandoms organize, rise and fall, but lol. I quit that pipe dream during BE comeback when I saw newer ARMYs parroting akgae rhetoric, justifying boycotts and weighted streams for songs that certain members had writing credits on. This split with jikookers was always going to happen given how similarly shippers and akgaes approach idols in general, but yeah it’s been fascinating seeing what trigger exactly was the catalyst for certain types of people.

Safe to say I believe by this point in Chapter 2, everyone has already self-sorted into their respective buckets. Over the next couple of years I’m interested in seeing the evolution of these people as they progress further down the pipeline. I intend to keep this blog open for all of it.

[myobsessionsspace]

Jimin & Jungkook

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Posts:

Jimin & Jungkook 2023

Natural Blonde Park Jimin

Real Statements - Jimin waving the flag

His Standards, 100% His Criteria

The Idols...The Unit

Like Crazy - Through Trials & Tribulations - 1 BILLION streams!

The Billion Streams Duo

Thirsty Jungkook

Just One Day - 3J

Just Ken? No THE Jimin

Run! BTS - Jikook Cut

The Iconic Black Swan Jikook

The Truth Untold?

The Evolution of Jimin?

- extra (1)

- extra (2)

- extra (3)

Jimin & Jungkook TikToks:

Jimin x Le Serrafim - Unforgiven Challenge

Jungkook x Le Serrafim - Perfect Night Challenge

Jimin x New Jeans - ETA Challenge

Jungkook x New Jeans - Ditto Challenge

Jimin x Taemin - Hard Challenge

Jimin x Taemin - Guilty Challenge

Jungkook - Dynamite

Jimin - Boy with Luv

Jungkook x TXT - Happily Ever After

Jimin x TXT - Sugar Rush Ride

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[ask-wolf-joon]

Everyone is so into rapid weight gain- and that's good shit too...

But I'm really such a sucker for slow weight gain. Waking up just a tiny bit fatter each day. A few pounds a month. At first it isn't even enough to notice. But then you start getting soft. A little bit fluffy. Buttons slowly get tighter until they pop. Seams rip. And it just becomes normal to feel this yummy, warm weight in your middle.

A slice of cake here. An extra helping of dinner. Slowly getting fat until it's comfy to feel your belly in your lap. It's a slow enough evolution that it's just who you are. Your friends and family don't really say anything because they see you enough, so no one is taking notice. And yeah- maybe you're a bit plumper every time they give you a hug. But it's just normal.

You over indulge regularly, just enough for those extra calories to sit in your waist, making you warm and inviting. You slowly get chubbed up from living well, being comfy and loved and well taken care of.

Getting fat is so wonderful. It's a life style.

@ask-feedees-jikook 😏

[cakejerry]

As a fic writer who writes many different pairings and OT7 fics, the reason why there are so few “real” Jikook fics is because their dynamic is really fucking hard to put down in words, particularly because (to me) they actually feel real. Like they have the ups and downs of a real couple, tension that seems very unique to them, and a clear evolution of their relationship over time. And it is so hard to put that down onto paper without writing some like 30-40k fic which most people don’t. Most ship dynamics stay pretty constant, but Jikook’s is ever changing. (Like a real couple.) Same way drawing realistically is harder than drawing line art and filling in the colors, I guess?

Jikook nation we need to band together and write a concensus on the jikook behind the scenes relationship canon and collectively write that million word fanfic we all deserve. I'm talking examine every video of theirs frame by frame, disect every interview, catalogue every time they have looked at each other or touched each other and compare it to other people, I'm so serious ami-yah I think we can do it

[seoul-bros]

Jimin's Birthday minus 8 - 2015 Celebrations

By 2015, BTS had released two studio albums and had been on the extended Red Bullet Tour playing to 80,000 people in 18 cities in 13 countries. They were in the middle of their The Most Beautiful Moment in Life EP series and gearing up for another concert tour starting in November 2015.

BTS had developed a really positive team dynamic. Jimin is confident about his place in that team and his relationships with the other members. Everyone is visibly hyped up and happy to be celebrating his birthday. Taehyung and Jungkook spend a lot of the video jumping around excitedly at the back.

J-Hope asks what Jimin wants for his birthday and he immediately says he want to drop honorifics with Hobi and Yoongi.

Do you know who else decided to drop honorifics that day? Yes, you've seen the clip, none other than Mr Jeon Jungkook. "Jimin-ah" he teases much to Jimin's obvious but indulgent chagrin.

The Jikook dynamic had definitely begun to evolve.

The video ends with V's birthday greeting. "Let's work hard. Let's get better. Let's give better performances" and "Let's do it together" were the sentiments of the day.

It looks like this celebration took place on the 12th October slightly anticipating Jimin's birthday.

On the 13th, Jimin recorded a Vlog talking about the preparations for their next album and concert tour and his desire to get back in front of an audience. Even today, seven years later, he continues to say performing is his favourite activity (Proof interviews).

The members posted funny pictures again in 2015 but what struck me most were some of the photos posted by Big Hit to mark the day. Jimin had broken out of his chrysalis, spread his wings and was well on his way to becoming the mesmerising performer that he is today.

Post Date: 05/10/2022

[jungkooksknot]

I just think it’s so cute that jungkook used to be so shy when he interacted with jimin and now he teases him when he wants and just grabs his body when he wants

[kookieries-blog]

Jungkook 2014

"Don't touch me, Hyung! I hate your affection!"

Jungkook now

"Jiminie~😚❤💚😣💜💙💛💓💕💖💞💘💋🐣⭐"

[stormblessed95]

I don’t think Taehyung and Jungkook being closer is a problem cause they were the closest before, maybe they’re getting the closest again. It makes sense. Like friendships can change and get closer just as much as they can drift apart.

Jks been closer to jimin from 2018-2020 and maybe now he’s worked on their relationship he’s closest to Taehyung again. It shouldn’t be a problem.

Jimin & JK can drift apart just as much as Jk & Tae did and have issues. You have dips and changes in relationships. Like so what if he wants to ride with Tae? He spent all 2020 riding with jimin. Like so what if they post each other on their social media? Cause it’s there’s and there closer now. They can post who they want. They didn’t post a lot of selcas with each other before.

Jungkook had dinner with Tae in LA and had a deep conversation. Like Jikook do, but it was something they wanted to do. Jungkook said himself that he goes to jimins room just because he’s the closest and bored, it doesn’t have to mean anything.

Taehyung & Jungkook may be the closest pair now and that’s okay. We should accept it and just like when Jikook were closer in 2017-2020. Friendships can change.

Sigh. How do I always end up getting roped into these conversations? This one though, this one I can almost appreciate. This one, anon, gives me the vibes that we could probably have an interesting conversation if we ever went back and forth or you came off anon and we could talk in DMs. Even if we walk away agreeing to disagree, this feels like someone who might be able to hold a conversation about things at least. So I'm hoping that means you are also someone who is willing to be open minded enough to consider my thoughts about it all too. I really hope that you are, because I'm probably about to write an essay here. As yall know I often do, well those of you who have been here long enough to see my many essay replies to anons lol Here we go! As always, enjoy my gifs used to break up topics!!

So I think we agree partially, but also disagree here too. Here me out. I fully, fundamentally, 100% agree with you on your statement here "friendships can change and get closer just as much as they can drift apart." This is absolutely true. Nothing is ever really static, or else that relationship and person(s) exist in stasis. Which is fundamentally impossible considering that we, as people, are constantly changing and adapting and overcoming/getting set back. Personalities morph, interests and hobbies change, we learn and we grow. And because we, as individuals, are constantly evolving as people... our relationships (platonic or otherwise) are also constantly evolving and changing with us. The BEST relationships are the ones that grow and evolve with you and continually accept all parts of you as you grow and change. Right? We should all be on the same page here for this part. And this evolution as a person and in your relationships isn't any different for celebrities or famous people.

Something else I agree with you on is "I don't think Taehyung and Jungkook being closer is a problem." Im prepared to fight anyone who says otherwise. We are their fans, we are not their friends. Dictating who these men are friends with and how they conduct those friendships is so far past crossing a boundary. I will defend their friendship as fiercely as I do jikooks if anyone comes to my blog being shady about it. And I have. Feel free to take a stroll through the important posts section of my masterlist to find those if you want to. I also agree with you that "they're closer now." Because they are! You can see a clear process from them, working on their relationship. Twice in 2020, they brought up their distance in their friendship. And you could clearly see the effort put forth after their ITS talk especially to meet each other halfway and rebuild their playful and fun friendship back and that they have been making more time for each other and their friendship. I think this is amazing and I love seeing it!

Here is where I'm going to start disagreeing with you though. Please stick with me! I'm going to try and take this point by point and cover everything you mentioned here too. Your main point is that taekook were THE closest before. Then Jikook were THE closest and then now taekook are once again the closest duo? I disagree. Let me explain why please.

Let's go back to the early years here too. You mention that this is the time period where Taekook were the closest duo. I don't agree with that. I don't disagree either. They were definitely VERY close! But I don't think they were the only duo that was that close. I'd make an argument that jikook and vmin were also just as close as taekook were. (Not even going to mention Yoonjin, yoonmin, jihope, vhope or namgi or any others who were also all very close). Those early years it was definitely the maknae line as a trio. They spilt into twos every now and then, but there really wasn't much of a stand out that I could see in a duo, except honestly maybe vmin, who had a leg up due to being same age friends. Even the other members marking them as the closest or the best duo of the group. I have a post up as well over how taekook WERE insanely close during those early years and how that could have led to why they became a popular kpop ship that has just continued to gain popularity too. You can read that here. Please notice though how i say "One of the closest duos" rather than saying "the closest." It makes a difference. I also have multiple posts up, (Im a jikook blog, of course I'll have more posts about them), about exactly how close jikook were as a duo in these same early years. You can read those posts in detail here. And it's literally only the years 2012 - 2014 in those posts there (for now).

Those jikook posts cover a lot to show how close they really were in those early years, but some of the main points would be how Jimin was one of the 3 members who went to his middle school graduation. How JK went to JIMIN and no one else after he got back from his trip to America to get advice over if he still wanted to debut or not. How they sought each other out multiple times during American Hustle Life in times of stress. Over and over it was shown how close the two of them were already back then, JK already even seeking Jimin out for emotional and vulnerable moments, trusting him with those feelings rather than some his other hyungs at times. If taekook were THE CLOSEST, why wouldn't he have gone to Tae? They were definitely ONE OF the closest, but JK was equally as close to Jin and Jimin too. Including mentioning how often he relayed on Jin who helped him feel comfortable in Seoul, took him under his wing and helped him with his homesickness, etc. Tae was and is equally as close to Jimin and Hobi back then too.

Now the second point I disagree with can just be considered semantics, but you say jikook could be considered THE closest from 2018 to 2020. I would say they started spending more time together than with anyone else in 2016, or at the very least, since 2017. But regardless, what I TRULY disagree with is your end cap to that. While I agree Taekook are getting closer, I disagree that they are any closer than jikook are or that jikook have been drifting apart in 2021. Taekook getting closer has nothing to do with jikook and one does not mean the other has to not be close anymore. Jimin being there with Tae and JK, and jikook being close and just getting closer, had absolutely nothing to do with taekook being close and/or drifting apart. Those are 2 seperate relationships. We have seen many many small moments through 2021 to indicate that Jikook's emotional bond and intimacy is still there and is still thriving. Many moments that show that their dynamic together, of being super close, has not changed. I can sit here and list example after example, or I can link again in hope you actually read all of this, my posts over how Jikook were not distant in 2021. So when you are asking so what about the car rides or the IG posts from taekook... I also, have the exact same questions. So what? What does that have to do with jikook? How does that make them distant? Because I'm not seeing it even a little bit. How is the taekook IG post different than the vmin, vhope or jinkook one? And you all act like this is new stuff they are doing. Taekook have posted the occasional selcas together through all the years. They've car shared together multiple times through the years, even the years you claim that jikook were the closest in. So how does this change it NOW? What's different with these particular posts/car rides?

Because I also saw a vlive with jikook where they were super comfortable, happy and close. No awkwardness, no shifts in behaviors or dynamics. I saw JK wait 20 minutes at the airport so he could walk out to their cars with Jimin after getting home from LA rather than just continue going with Jin. I saw them arrive to the airport together and post their own selcas together after that too. I saw JK push his face as close as possible to Jimins while he was singing in LA. So my question to you is, where is the distance in jikook? Why do YOU feel that because taekook is bonding and getting closer, that somehow means jikook MUST be drifting apart? Do you feel the same way about vmin? Had they drifted and/or gotten closer at any point in time? Or are they allowed in your mind to have similar levels of closeness as other people?

Now back to your last points that I'm going to disagree with too, sorry. You said "Jungkook had dinner with Tae in LA and had a deep conversation. Like Jikook do, but it was something they wanted to do. Jungkook said himself that he goes to jimins room just because he’s the closest and bored, it doesn’t have to mean anything." Now let me say right off the bat this you trying to manipulate and downplay bonds... you probably slipped up and let your bias show through. Your implication here was that JK doesn't actually want to hang out with Jimin, rather he wanted to have dinner with Tae. I hope you realize how messed up that is. But moving on. Let's actually talk about these 2 moments. One by one and fully address it, shall we?

Link here to the moment where Tae shares he had dinner and a conversation with JK:

This is sweet. This is friendly. This is I haven't had time to sit down with and catch up with my friend in a long time. I have no idea what they have been doing outside of what we do for work together or how they've been feeling about things, life, the state of the world. This is the catch up and drink and hang out type of dinner they referenced trying to have and someone never following through many times over and over during the ITS1 talk. This is so nice to see them bonding and actually following through on those plans and spending that time together. Putting forth that effort into maintaining their friendship. Because friendships require effort and work to maintain too if you want to keep them, not just romantic relationships. JK said he has been happy lately. This was coming across as something clearly just friendly and fun. They had a good time but they didn't really seem to stick around much more than just a causal hang out. I also would like to point out how different it was, how causal the whole air around that dinner was. How they talked about adult things (life, work, how they are doing) but there was no mention of it being a DEEP talk like you are saying it was. That is your assumption, not a fact. But we also have moments where Jimin is sharing something sweet and deep with the group, such as how much he loves them and wants to be together as group forever, and how he feels about their future. To which JK chimes in from the back about how Jimin told him all this yesterday too. Seems like they are having deep conversations about their feelings, hopes, dreams, etc on the regular before sharing those thoughts with the rest of their members even (Festa 2020 or Festa 2021 with jikook knowing about each other's object and wishes). Or you know how they talk about how they've spoken about Destiny ("I told you") or going to the moon together before as well ("I promised) both past tense, referencing conversations they've had on their own on personal time.

Back to the point and the moments you mentioned. A link to watch the Jikook TMI clips from the vminkook vlive that you also referenced here:

You said this as if it was a bad thing, or like JK didn't have any other options. Like walking 4 more steps down the hall to get to Tae or Jin or Hobi would have killed him. Lmao JK gets bored and lonely in his own room. Jimins room is closest and Jimin is someone who's presence he finds comfort and peace in, which as been shown clearly many times over many years. Debut through present. This whole TMI collection made it more clear than anything else, that regardless of what you are seeing on camera or on stage. Off camera and during private personal times? Jikook are together. JK goes to Jimins room consistently because he is bored and wants to (aka, seems like Tae does to). He doesn't go to anyone else. He just wants to be around someone, and that someone is always Jimin. Proven time and time again on camera as well. They eat together after concerts. They hang out late at night. Mid day, early morning, just chilling on phones. They workout together and go for walks together everyday. Doesn't really sound like people who drifted apart to me?

Which brings me to your conclusion that taekook are the closest pair again. I disagree, they are closer then they were. But both seem to still be closer to Jimin and Hobi then they are to each other. Which is not the same thing as saying rhey are not close, clearly they are. But also they clearly still seek out Jimin and Hobi as referenced by these LA vlives more than they do each other. As well as you saying "Friendships change" as your closing statement. I agree. But please tell me where Jikooks friendship has changed? Because from what I can see, they are just as close as they ever have been.

And that's my essay! Lmao if you read this whole thing, thank you! Anon, if you stuck around and read this whole thing. Well thanks for listening to my rebuttal to all your points. I think I covered it all. Hopefully you came into this with an open mind and are willing to consider everything I said and my questions to you as well. Sorry again for the length of this post. Yall know how I am! Hope everyone has a wonderful day!!

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Rambling in INFJese - Part 4: The Loud Art of Silence

Melancholy - by Jo Seong Been  [SEMANTIC ERROR (ORIGINAL TELEVISION SOUNDTRACK)]

[Music is a very big part of my life and I’m MOSTLY INCAPABLE of writing without music, so I just thought I'd share what I am listening to while writing this]

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Finally uh?! This comes very late. My bad. Now, I know I’ve posted 3 already BUT let me quickly explain what kind of series is Rambling in INFJese. This will be a series of posts where I expose my own thoughts/feelings, ideas and speculations with regards to various topics, mainly Jikook related, and would like to hear your thoughts in regards as well, afterall, deep conversations with open-minded people are the best, so let’s start, shall we?

Category is: Silence.

“Silence implies consent”, “Silence is golden”, “Silence is the most powerful scream”, and so on and so forth. Like everything in life, it has its positive and negative sides/shades, but regardless of its connotation, there’s one fact which can hardly be argued with; Silence is hella loud. It’s a language of its own, it's a way to convey messages which are usually either very contrived or surprisingly very simple. 

From this point on, it is all JKK_OBSERVATION_6.mg (which is what I call my opinions and speculations) so, as always, tread lightly

I’d like to say lately, but this has actually been happening for a while now, it feels like JM and JK have been perfecting the very aesthetically pleasing Art of Silence. And I am not talking about the type of silence which always triggers insecure jikookers, the subgroup and others. No. This is a silence that is synonymous with change, growth, and progression. There seems to be a calm between the two of them, a grown understanding, which is so refreshing to see and in my opinion a testament of how far their relationship and bond has come and matured. 

I’ve to noticed this more and more in JM, as JK was never the most talkative to begin with (if anything, with time, he’s been working on developing his conversational skill, but that is still very much tied in with his Silence, which bear with me, I’ll explain). There is a saying I really like and think really suits this post, which is “Once you’ve matured, your silence is more powerful than proving a point”. 

There has been a very natural evolution. With the passing of time, anything will undergo change, everything usually does, and in a relationship, you either make it or break it. They seem to have made it and mind you, it wasn’t without trials and tribulations! They gave their relationships and each other a chance and through ups and downs they seem to have finally found that balance, which I feel has become even more defined as of lately for sure.

To help explain what I mean, let’s go back a little bit. Let's go back to the time when they might have understood and accepted that they see each other in a romantic way, which by the way, isn’t immediately consequential to them getting together, I do believe they probably got together at least 2 years after this realisation. Anyways, back at that moment, JK and JM were quite instinctively vocal, meaning, it wasn’t their intention to be as loud as they were all the time, but more than not, in their younger times, impulse took place before thought when it came to things regarding each other and just the two of them really. If they had an opinion it needed to be expressed (Jimin mostly) if there was something they wanted to do it needed to be done (Jungkook mostly).

JM: Testing Waters - I’m of the opinion that at the very beginning Jimin really saw JK just as the cute maknae of the group, whenever for example, he’d say things like “Jk and I are a couple” I really do believe he was kidding, for real, or rather at that very point in time, his brain interpreted his own feelings in that way. So, I do believe that the first person to actively make a move was JK, as I also do think that JK was the type of person who didn’t waste time and rarely second guessed himself. Kinda like the “Rather ask for forgiveness than ask for permission” type of guy.

Late 2015 would have been rather hard for Jimin to not feel the sort of “attention” that JK was applying on their bond, the kind of “notice me hyung” but not really, more like a “I know you’ve noticed me hyung, so? …” but Jm felt to me like he was sceptical of where they could have gone with this situation. So so so sceptical. He definitely did get a hunch, he wasn’t sure about it but in the end, he decided he wasn’t going to let it go to waste, even though he was kinda caught off guard, he was willing to give it (whatever it was) a chance, but at the same time he was not going to be the one caught slipping. What also needs to be taken into consideration is that differently from JK, JM was at the same time in the process of “discovering himself” or rather, letting his real self be. Our boy had  A LOT going on. Yet, he still began to test the waters, realising that his were also romantic feelings after all. And one of the things he’d keep doing was for example, loudly and clearly, as if to make a point, hurl out facts about JK, whenever he could, very randomly, as if to say “Yes, I’ve noticed you, so now what?”. And well up to 2018 / beginning 2019 he’s kept the pattern of making sure that people knew just how much he knows about JK.

Jk “Man on a mission” - As I said, I do believe he was the first one to make the move, and oh was he loud and confused about it! Probably without evening realising it, he knew so much about JM already and got on a course to make sure he knew everything about JM. So much so that most likely, before he could even notice, he was going to be the quickest to answer facts about JM, the first to know things about him, the one who would make him laugh, the one who would give him comfort, etc. He was going to be a young man, because he really didn’t want to be a dongsaeng, that JM would rely on. Now the confusion came probably based on the feedback he’d get from JM, who was still very much wanting him to be the cute dongsaeng, but JK was not really having it. FOR REAL. And this dynamic went on for a very long while, in lesser degrees, as I do think that JM had accepted JK’s will more and more, however, JM never really let go completely until sometimes in 2019/2020.

2022: Something I sensed - Now this is all in my humble opinion. I do feel like there has been another shift in their dynamic, which happened at the end of 2021, a very firm and adult, kinda shift. The way I see it, as they have probably figured out the type of person they want to be, and while they are embarking on the path of becoming the artists they want to be in this second chapter, they've also reached a point of stability in their relationship. So much so that the way they deal with each other has also changed in order to accommodate the people they’ve become. For example, they’ve switched being vocal with some good old silence. For example, no longer having the need to talk about each other, particularly when the other is not present.

In the first picture Namjoon says that JK is taking dance lessons, a younger JM might have been eager to let people know that he knew, yet JM doesn’t say anything, nor does he act surprised, he simply goes ahead and says what he has been up to. In the second picture JK starts the friendship tattoo discussion and when it gets to Jimin he brings it up just to say he doesn’t know where it is, but he knows he has one. This is one example of the late 2021/ 2022 jikook dynamic I’ve observed. They really do not talk about each other if not in the presence of each other. It’s as if they are finally keeping their private life; private. Also this is the level of security we all aspire in a relationship at some point. At the beginning one is so eager to show each other to the world, eventually as you mature, comes the strengthening of trust, comes the respecting of boundaries, comes the need to protect each other etc. 

Another thing I’ve noticed is how, when they are in a group, they kinda facilitate each other to talk. What’s weird about that? Isn’t that normal? You’d ask. Aside for Namjoon and Yoongi, who really can’t help talking over each other or anyone else (kinda cute 😂😂), other members as well kinda have a habit of talking over each other, and JK is usually the person that gets to say nothing, as he is not an aggressive talker. 

Sometime, late 2021, JM has taken this stance where, when JK is talking, he’ll keep silent. As if wanting to give him full attention or allow him the time to express himself. It’s cute cause he’ll just look down, or away and stay silent. Even during games, where he’d have to participate and share knowledge about jk, he just … stays silent. JK also does the same, our resident Jiminipedia has slowly begun to keep quiet, slowly because sometimes he can’t help himself and still blurs out facts, but for the most part he will keep silent. For example:

The following question he then decides to participate in, and where everyone keeps their answers general, JK is very detailed with his answer. He knows it is about JM’s face and JM is also giving hints, but JK doesn’t pick up on it at all, in his brain probably having too much info to have to sieve through. This perhaps also being a reason why I feel like lately they’ve been opting for silence. When you know each other a bit too well, it is really hard to give generic answers.

In the first picture the question is about JM and where everyone is trying their best to guess, JK stays quiet and observes for the most part, though he joins at the end when they all describe how JM flexes his muscles JK intervened with “This morning he was flexing his arm”, which is hella precise for someone who stayed quiet during the whole question. 

Same went for JM in the Do You Know Me Game. Everyone seemed very intent and excited to answer Jungkook’s questions, but JM seemed like he was just silently going with the flow as he stared at his card. Yet, they began to precisely reminisce about seeing a double shooting start or during jm’s vlive Jk would randomly know the type of mushroom Jin gave JM for his birthday. All this random private information, which they give us and which still confirms that: BETWEEN THEM NOTHING HAS CHANGED. 

I like to see this for them, I like to feel this sense of security, of domesticity, of complicity if you may as they are both going about life with so much calm and newfound eagerness as well. They are still the people they fell in love with, but at the same time they’ve also taken those people to higher grounds, allowing their individual selves space to explore and grow, while at the same time making their life together as that safety Zone, which Jay has been speaking of. Where is that Safety Zone? I have no clue and it is also none of my business, but from the vibes I’m getting off them, they know very well.

Respectfully super happy for them,

Marengo.

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JUNGKOOK the DANCER